Monday, October 29, 2007

Is the Rapture in the fall of 2011???

This was originally a letter I wrote to a Bible study group about one year ago:

Offered as food for thought:

Dr. Gene Scott always warned against date-setting, as the history of eschatology is strewn with the rubble of denominations that have set dates and then not seen anything come to pass -- later on it could always be shown where the date setter erred. If he did mention something about 2001, it might have been a first blush impression he had gathered from the evidence of something important about that year, but to take it to his meaning the beginning of the Tribulations might be going a bit far. In any case I don't think it was mentioned again, 2001 came and went with the horror of an attack on the United States (it has been attacked before) and Dr. Scott didn't proclaim that it was the beginning of the Great Tribulations. And, it wasn't.

That having been said as a caveat up front, I have done some calculations with the aid of online calendars to determine which MIGHT be the best years prophetically to fulfill the conditions of the last chapter of Daniel (that the days of the Tribulations be shortened) and the conditions of Matthew 24, where Jesus taught the fig tree parable, which we know from Doc's teaching is the revival of Israel. First thing that should be established, and again, I'm relying on Gene Scott for these numbers, is the lengths of the years of a generation. There are four likely numbers -- 40 years, 70 years, 100 years, and 120 years. There are also numbers that could be given in Jewish prophetic years (360 days long) and regular solar years (365.2422 or whatever they are -- and we even have three very slightly different versions of those.)

Now that we have some idea of the generational period length, we go to the dates of when Israel was established, revived, or rescued from the hand of the Gentile. First one is when General Allenby marches into Jerusalem, capturing it from the Turks -- December 9-11, 1917. Second one, the day of independence of the state of Israel -- May 14, 1948. Third, the end of the War of Independence for Israel in 1949 -- well, four dates for that one, depending on which armistice was signed -- February 24, March 23, April 3, and July 20, all in 1949. The actual large scale fighting seems to have ended by March 10, 1949.

So, generally, we are probably talking about December 10, 1917, May 14, 1948, and March 10, 1949 as starting points for what is either a 40, 70, 100, or 120 year countdown in what are likely to be either Jewish prophetic short years or modern solar years. Due to the imprecision of determining either the exact date of the liberation of Jerusalem from Turkey or the actual end of the 1948-9 war, exactly how many days each of these numbers is after computing short years may be somewhat off.

For December 10, 1917, in solar years, we arrive at December 1957, December 1987, December 2017, and December 2037 as final monthly dates of the Tribulations. Presumably we back up 7 years to arrive at their beginning dates, which I will deal with later, but for right now, based on the Gene Scott teaching on Thessalonians and the Feast of Trumpets-Yom Kippur holidays, we probably need to subsume that they begin in around September or October of, not 1950, 1980, 2010, or 2030, but the year after -- which would be quite a shortening. Since two of those dates have gone by already, the Yom Kippurs of 2011 (October 8) and 2031 (September 27) become the first two annual possibilities for the beginning date of the Tribulations.

For May 14, 1948, count 70 solar years, and we come to May 14, 2018 as a possible end date of the Tribulation. (I have omitted 40, that date is long past.) Count 100, it goes to May 14, 2048, and 120, May 14, 2068. In these scenarios, the years would again be shortened by backing the beginnings up to Yom Kippur - October 8, 2011, October 5, 2041, and September 24, 2061 respectively.

For March 10, 1949, 70 years brings us to March 2019, 100 years to March 2049, and 120 years to March 2069. A set of beginning dates representing less than 7 years Tribulation would thus be September 26, 2012, September 24, 2042, and October 14, 2062 respectively. These beginning dates would hold true no matter which end date of the 1948-9 Israeli war we picked.

Now the hard part -- to redo all this again in JEWISH prophetic years. Fortunately I have a calculator to do the nasty part. For December 10, 1917, we plug in 100 Jewish years, it comes out to July 4, 2016. Beginning date, Yom Kippur, September 28, 2009. Plug in 120 years, we come out to about March 21, 2036. Beginning date would be September 19, 2029.

For May 14, 1948 the end dates are as follows: 70 Jewish years, May 13, 2017, beginning date, Yom Kippur, September 18, 2010. 100 Jewish years brings us to December 7, 2046, and back that up less than 7 years, we come to September 17, 2040. Add 120 Jewish years, the end Trib date would be August 24, 2066. If God picks this one, He isn't being as merciful with time as with the other dates. 6 years and 11 months back brings the beginning date to September 17, 2059.

And last, we consider March 10, 1949... Add 70 Jewish prophetic years to that, it brings us to March 8, 2018, and back up less than 6 1/2 years to the first Yom Kippur within that 7 years, we arrive back at the fall of 2011, on October 8. Which is the third time we have hit that date, and all the other beginning dates have only been hit once apiece. What, you may ask, is so interesting about Yom Kippur in the year 2011? But first let's finish dealing with the other generation periods -- 100 Jewish years brings us to October 2, 2047 -- and the world gets NO book of Daniel shortening break here because (jumping ahead to Yom Kippur calculations) Yom Kippur in 2040 is September 26, and in 2047 is October 9! And to finish, using the 120 Jewish years calculation, we come to June 19, 2067, with the Tribulations beginning in October 4, 2060.

Now to answer the question about Yom Kippur, 2011 -- October 8, 2011 or Tishri 10, 5772. When's Rosh Hashanah that year? That's easy, just subtract 9 days and you come to Tishri 1, 5772, which is September 29, 2011. September 29 is already interesting for other reasons, as students of Gene Scott and astronomy regarding the birth of a certain personage already know. (Parenthetically, in the year 2009 I have found ANOTHER personage with the same birthday... see my blog page Mabus and Mousavi.)

Now, to measure a shortening of days on the LUNAR calendar, I won't bore you with all the details, but I came up with several best candidates for shortening of the seven year week of Danielic eschatology with beginning and ending dates landing on their respective Yom Kippurs or Rosh Hashanahs (doesn't matter which one you use as long as it's the same day on the Hebrew calendar.) Now, the seven year week that started with 9-11-2001 -- or actually, with 9-27-01 Yom Kippur -- ends on 10-09-08, so it's a lengthened seven years, not a shortened one. 12 days longer to be precise. Not a good candidate. So we could pick any seven years, but the best (shortest) seven year periods over the next 70 years are as follows, with a shortening of at least 17 days between Yom Kippurs seven years apart, in mm-dd-yy format for brevity, and number of days shortened:

10-09-00 to 09-22-07 -17
10-06-03 to 09-18-10 -18
10-13-05 to 09-26-12 -17
10-02-06 to 09-14-13 -18
10-08-11 to 09-19-18 -19
10-04-14 to 09-16-21 -18
10-12-16 to 09-25-23 -17
10-09-19 to 09-21-26 -18
10-02-25 to 09-15-32 -17
10-07-30 to 09-19-37 -18
10-13-35 to 09-24-42 -19
10-09-38 to 09-21-45 -18
10-05-41 to 09-17-48 -18
10-14-43 to 09-26-50 -18
10-10-46 to 09-22-53 -18
10-12-54 to 09-24-61 -18
10-08-57 to 09-20-64 -18
10-14-62 to 09-25-69 -19
10-03-63 to 09-15-70 -18
10-10-65 to 09-22-72 -18
10-06-68 to 09-19-75 -17

The three "sevens" that managed the maximum shortening of 19 days are bolded. But, for repetition's sake (and other people's email formats) here they are:

10-08-11 to 09-19-18 -19
10-13-35 to 09-24-42 -19
10-14-62 to 09-25-69 -19

And there is 10-08-11 again -- Yom Kippur, October 8, 2011, preceded by Rosh Hashanah, September 29, 2011. That makes four times we have seen that date, and it is followed by the maximum shortening for seven consecutive lunar years.


And, is it also a coincidence that Rosh Hashanah, September 29, 2011 AD happens to be exactly 2,012 SOLAR years after Rosh Hashanah, September 29, 2 BC, the day Jesus Christ was born? That's the fifth coincidence or synchronicity we have found for this date.

(Sixth synchronicity.... an Iranian politician was born Sept 29, 1941 (see Mir Hossein Mousavi's OFFICIAL profile) ... and will be exactly 70 solar years old on Rosh Hashanah, 2011 AD. 1941 is also interesting (the year itself) because of an Islamic tradition that exactly 1,000 years before, in 941 AD, the "occultation" or going into seclusion of the Mahdi, the Twelfth Imam, in a well near Qum took place. The politician with this September 29 birthday in 1941 started his recent presidential campaign in Qum, but was defeated in 2009 officially.)

So, does that mean the Rapture of the Body of Christ is on that date?


But the parable of the ten virgins follows this end time prophecy in Matthew 25, where the five wise virgins keep watch and the five foolish virgins let their wicks go out. It happens to be five years before September 29, 2011, and I discovered this only recently [date for the emailing of the first version of this blog was in the fall of 2006.]

You never know. :)


Who is Mir Hossain Moussavi?

Is he Mabus whom Nostradamus predicted? Is he the Little Horn? The Beast in Revelation? The Antichrist himself?

Could he be the Mahdi expected by a significant portion of those in the Islamic faith?

See my blog on Mabus and Mousavi.


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Anonymous said...

Waiting two more years for Rosh Hashanah 2011 seems like torture... I keep hoping that it'll be Rosh Hashanah of this year (2009), but I know that God's plan is better than anything we could devise. We won't know for sure until it happens. I'm always afraid that I'm going to mess up between now and then and get rejected by the Lord. May He have mercy on all of us sinners!

Turtle of Xanth said...

I aim to keep my trust in the Lord no matter when He decides to take us home.

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Anonymous said...

Really enjoyed your coverage of the "shortening of days". I did not know anyone else had taken those words of Jesus into account. You may be interested in the FaceBook group, "After the Rapture: Passing the Torch". Dave Pitcher

Anonymous said...

I believe Daniel 9:25 was fullfilled 8/4/1968 When the Knesset debated Municipal Services in East Jerusalem -- Sitting 261 ISBN: 0819183474
8/4/1968 +50days 9/23/1968 Rosh Hashanah 5729 begins +42years to 5771 began 9/9/2010 62 x 7 =434days 434-50=384days 9/9/2010 +384days = 9/28/2011 which is Ever Rosh Hashanah Percisely the time when no man knows the day or hour at least by the Jewish calendar.


Anonymous said...

If you doubt the validity of Daniels prophecies you should consider Daniel 8's recent prophetic fullfillment. Daniel 8:5... crossing the whole earth without touching the ground. 6 It came toward the two-horned ram I had seen standing beside the canal and charged at it in great rage.
I saw it attack the ram furiously
I interpret this as being fullfilled when the US airforce launched air sorties from the continental US utilizing mid air refueling to fly all the way around the world from the west without touching the ground to strike high value Iraqie targets in the early phase of 2003 Iraq war.


Anonymous said...

Daniel 8:7...The ram was powerless to stand against it; the goat knocked it to the ground and trampled on it
A quick search of wikipedia will show that in operation red dawn US soldiers discovered Saddam Hussein hiding in a pit underground. So the soldiers had physically trampled on him by walking over him as he lay hidden a few feet underground.


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Rejoice said...

In addition, Revelations 12 solar signs will be fulfilled at 09:00 GMT Jerusalem time 29/9/2011. Sun will be in Virgo's hair,moon at her feet,and venus-the Bright Morning Star-Jesus being born with Saturn symbolic of Saturn waiting to devour venus.Also comet elenin/nibiru due to be at minimum elongation 26/9/2011 with closest on 16/10/2011 possible pole shift/tribulation.Also Palestinian state likely declared on 30/9/2011 dividing Israel and Jerusalem and angering God more for His wrath.

Severinus said...


grant1103 said...

I find it interesting that We have already witnessed the pale horse from the fight in Egypt. The elenin comet (really planet X or Nibiru) will be in it's alignment on supposedly on Sept 25, 2011 which will blot out the sun and cause a worldwide earthquake (sound familiar). Rosh Hoshanna is the feast of trumpets ....."and the trump shall sound" I am very much leaning on that this may very well be the rapture....Come Lord Jesus Come!!!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Nice link about 9/28/11 (the PA statehood vote)

Anonymous said...

Well, it is September 30, 2011. No rapture yet.

Anonymous said...

Are we all still here?

Anonymous said...

Wrong event right significance? Is this day 1 rather than the final day?
One day down, 7 years to go?

Anonymous said...

Here we day left & I just found this site. Prophecy has been moving in fast forward the past 6 months. I'm not a date setter either but it REALLY looks like it's coming soon. We'll find out tomorrow evening if this is God's plans. So exciting!

Turtle of Xanth said...

It's been a while since I gave this site attention, so to update... Obviously the Rapture has not yet happened. I'm not going to backpedal as I honestly believed it would most likely be in 2011, and I'm not making any further predictions of that sort except that I still maintain the TIME OF YEAR that the Rapture will occur is in the fall, on Rosh Hashanah which is the Feast of Trumpets.

That's one of the pitfalls of trying one's hand at this sort of thing; God doesn't show all of His hand, He just leaves clues. But one thing I will say is that since the fall of 2011 the Egyptians have moved a lot closer to full civil war; the Syrians are IN a full civil war, at the end of which a new provisional government could end up being maneuvered into giving full power to someone not elected.

We always need to watch Iran, but we also need to be watching Iraq and Syria closely, as they are the heartland of the former Seleucid Empire. Egypt is now very far down the road to becoming radicalized under Islamists and is moving away from friendly relations with Israel, so it should now be blindingly clear that there won't be a seven year peace treaty signed between Israel and Egypt. (Theirs was indefinite, anyway.)

I also feel that if there is anything to Nostradamus's predictions about a person named Mabus, I still believe it's an anagram of either Musab or Mousavi; the number 666 translates to -MSV in the Hebrew gematria, and there are a number of potentials, the most interesting of which appears to be the terrorist philosopher of Al-Qaeda, Abu Musab Al-Suri or "Father (Admirer) of Musab, The Syrian."

He bears watching closely because not only does he have a very wide net of connections throughout the Muslim world, and not only is he effectively the "Guide" of Al-Qaeda's present strategy, but having a pragmatic military mind for strategy, he may fit the bill as one who both worships a God of forces or fortresses, and as one who is actually capable of carrying out the conquests prophesied of him in the Bible once he's at the helm of the three states the Little Horn is predicted to overthrow.

jim b said...

Have you considered Rosh Hashanah 2011 as the beginning date rather than the end date? When you consider the schedule of eclipses over the next 7 years, it sure makes for an interesting frame.

Turtle of Xanth said...

Well, I had considered RH 2011 as the beginning date for the Rapture and it's blindingly obvious by now that the Rapture of the Church Eternal did not take place yet. However, the time of fulfillment for the state of Israel is not complete, either; a full generation, or someone being alive to have seen Israel born living long enough to see the return of the Messiah, that time is still now. In 2018 it will have been 70 years since Israel's independence, and 70 is one of the biblical numbers used for a generation, the others being 40, 100, and 120. So 2018 still bears watching; that may turn out to be the year of the Rapture and beginning of the Great Tribulation.